"On the other hand, there is Banting's evidence. He took six glasses of claret a day and a glass of rum or something like that most nights when he went to bed, and still he lost weight.
Another researcher working with low-carb diets, Dr Gaston Pawan, of the Middlesex Hospital, London, mentioned the intriguing possibility that alcoholic drinks, by dilating the blood vessels in the skin and making it work harder, may step up metabolism to an extent which more than compensated for the calories taken in as alcohol. This increased metabolism, coupled with increased loss of water from the skin and in the urine, he opined, could then result in weight loss. There is experimental evidence for this.
Pawan's colleague, Professor Alan Kekwick found that obese patients who were losing weight satisfactorily on a high-fat, low-calorie diet, would still continued to lose if alcohol was added in amounts up to as much as 500 calories a day — which is equivalent to about a seven fluid ounces (190ml) of 37.5% gin or vodka. But if that extra 500 calories were given as a carbohydrate-rich food such as chocolate or bread, they stopped losing weight and started to gain. It seems probable that all alcoholic drinks except those such as beer or sweet wines and liqueurs which contain large amounts of carbohydrate, are not fattening. "
1.7.11
Effects of Alcohol - increased metabolism/weight loss
26.6.11
High LDL on Low-Carb Paleo - causes and cures
(pre-article to: Answer Day: What Causes High LDL on Low-Carb Paleo? | Perfect Health Diet)
Here’s the puzzle. Someone adopts a low-carb Paleo diet. Very healthy diet, right? But their LDL cholesterol level starts to rise. And rise. And rise.
Larry Eshelman emailed me last December with this problem. His LDL history:
(SI system readers, convert to mmol/l by dividing by 38.67.)
- 103 mg/dl (1990-2002, eating a low fat diet)
- 115 mg/dl (2002-2007, eating a low carb diet)
- 195 mg/dl (2007-2009, after reading Gary Taubes and adding saturated fat)
- 254 mg/dl (Dec 2009, very low-carb Paleo for 5 weeks)
- 295 mg/dl (Jun 2010, very low-carb Paleo for 7 months)
A common problem
This is not a terribly uncommon problem in the Paleo community; it afflicts famous and brilliant bloggers as well as ordinary folks. It’s been discussed by Richard Nikoley in several posts:
High LDL on Low-Carb Paleo - why?
(follow up post to: Low Carb Paleo, and LDL is Soaring – Help! | Perfect Health Diet)
- explains how:
- folk can be malnourished on a paleo diet
- this can be reflected in high LDL levels
- certain foods and supplements can rix the prob and result in reduced LDL
Filed under: Atherosclerosis, Choline, Copper, Dyslipidemia, Iodine and selenium, Nutrients, Omega-3 and Omega-6 Fats, Quiz Answers, SupplementsFirst, thank you to everyone who commented on the quiz. I enjoyed reading your thoughts.
Is High LDL Something to Worry About?
Perhaps this ought to be the first question. Jack Kronk says “I don’t believe that high LDL is necessarily a problem” and Poisonguy writes “Treat the symptoms, Larry, not the numbers.” Poisonguy’s comment assumes that the LDL number is not a symptom of trouble. Is it?
I think so. It helps to know a little about the biology of cholesterol and of blood vessels.
Mortality goes up as cholesterol goes down - Blood Lipids and Infectious Disease
If there will be a general theme to our second year of blogging, it will be chronic infections – how they interact with the body to promote disease, and how we can use diet-related techniques to successfully combat them.
Blood lipids, such as LDL and HDL cholesterol, provide a fascinating window into health. We’ve already discussed both LDL and HDL (Low Carb Paleo, and LDL is Soaring – Help!, March 2, 2011; Answer Day: What Causes High LDL on Low-Carb Paleo?, March 3, 2011; HDL and Immunity, April 12, 2011; HDL: Higher is Good, But is Highest Best?, April 14, 2011; How to Raise HDL, April 20, 2011), but there’s quite a bit more to be said.
The extraordinary Portuguese blogger Ricardo Carvalho, better known as O Primitivo, of Canibais e Reis did some great work a few years back assembling World Health Organization statistics into an Excel database. One of the fruits of this labor was that he was able to correlate disease rates against serum cholesterol levels for all the countries in the database. His post about that is here and he created a great graphical representation of the results which I’ve reproduced here (click here to enlarge):
There’s a lot of interesting. information in this graph.
On the upper right are some correlation coefficients between serum cholesterol and disease incidence. Most diseases are either uncorrelated with cholesterol, or negatively correlated, meaning that mortality goes up as cholesterol goes down.
Summary on Fats and Oils - - Archevore Blog
Kurt Harris MD
FATS AND OILS - LIPIDS
Lipids are fatty acids or compound molecules composed of them. A fat is solid at room temperature and oils are liquid. Lipids are the key to PaNu. It is as much our misunderstanding of lipids as our misguided attachments to grains and fructose that is wreaking havoc with our health.
Saturated fat (SFA)
Saturated fats are generally solid at room temperature. Their saturation with hydrogen atoms makes them solid at room temperature as it affects the shape of the molecules as they pack together. This same saturation means they lack a reactive double bond between carbon atoms. In future posts, I will describe how this makes them less susceptible to oxidation, and therefore less likely to promote coronary disease and other diseases.
SFA does not cause heart disease or cancer and does not make you fat. To the contrary, the hormonal satiety and lack of insulin response from eating fats is the key to weight optimization and avoiding the diseases of civilization caused by hyperinsulinemia and high blood glucose levels - diabetes, metabolic syndrome, degenerative diseases like alzheimer dementia, and many of the commonest cancers.
Think of saturated fat as “anti- fructose” – they are both completely “natural”, but in a modern food abundant environment, SFA is healthy matter and fructose is evil anti-matter. This is the subject of future posts, but it involves satiety and the metabolic meaning of availability of these two food types.
MUFAs – Monounsaturated fatty acids
A monounsaturated fat (MUFA) has a single carbon- carbon double bond. MUFAs have some unique properties in the diet. Their best known source is olive oil, but they are quite abundant in animal fats.
PUFAs – Polyunsaturated fatty acids.
These are fatty acids that have multiple reactive carbon-carbon double bonds. They occur with varying chain lengths but are generally classed by where the first double bond occurs from the end of the molecule, in the Omega 6 position or the Omega 3 position, abbreviated as N-6 and N-3. Much of the biological significance of N-6 and N3 fatty acids relates to their ratio, as they are the precursors for signaling molecules called eicosanoids that affect immune function, among other things. Excess O-6s compete for an enzyme that O-3 metabolism uses as well, and in turn this affects eicosanoid ratios in the body. Both O-6 and O-3 fatty acids are more susceptible to oxidation due to their multiple unsaturated carbon-carbon double bonds, and this also has biological significance, particularly in the process of atherosclerosis.
THE PANU METHOD APPLIED TO OILS
The evolutionary principle would suggest that once we think there might be harm from a particular artificial food, like an oil mechanically extracted from a seed or a nut, we should look for evolutionary discordance or concordance - could humans have eaten it in those amounts?
The method of PaNu is to first use modern tools and reasoning to think about what foods might not be working for us. Then, we mine the past to see if that food shows evidence of evolutionary discordance.
Grains and seed oils - corn, safflower, cotton, peanut, canola, flaxseed (linseed) all fail this test, mostly due to excess N-6 PUFA content.
Step 1: We observe evidence of harm with excess N-6 consumption when we understand the enzyme pathways of eicosanoid production, competitive inhibition of N-3 elongation by excess N-6s, and epidemiologic evidence that shows coronary disease and cancer tracking industrial oil consumption. I have not fully elaborated all these data and arguments yet, but this is where the argument begins.
Step2: Humans could not have had a metabolism dominated by huge amounts of N-6's in the paleolithic period as it would have required industrial technology that did not exist. The predominance of N-6's in our diet comes from mechanical extraction from seed oils. Absent this technology, a human could never get more than a trivial fraction of the N-6s we consume in out modern industrial diets.
Step 2 explains and strengthens our understanding of Step 1 and establishes presumptive evolutionary discordance.
Conclusion: excess seed oil consumption deviates from the EM2.
PaNu suggests we prefer SFA and MUFAs , then minimize overall PUFAs with a ratio appropriate to the EM2. A ratio of N-6:N-3 close to 2:1 is desirable, which suggests complete avoidance of mechanically extracted vegetable oils high in N-6, and if necessary, compensatory supplementation with N-3s via fish or fish oil.
It seems best to limit O-6's to less than 4% of calories - I just calculated mine at 2.75%. See Stephan's post here and some of his other posts for a good discussion of this. If you are above 4% O-6 then supplementing to get to 1% O3 likely has a benefit.
I eat sardines occasionally and I eat cod and non-farmed salmon slathered in butter once a week or so, - I haven't calculated it but I suppose I am getting plenty of 03s without cod liver oil or fish pills.
If you are still getting a lot of seed oils with high O6 levels, you may well need fish oil as a compensatory supplement.
MUFAs AND OLIVE OIL
Olive oil is a bit of a politically correct fad. It has it's origins of course in the supposed mediterranean diet - of which there are several, and of which only some had any olive oil in them. The support for olive oil was the general scheme (not supported by the evidence) that SFA is bad and MUFA and PUFAs were the alternative.
When you eat animal products and have low carbohydrate intake, you are getting huge amounts of MUFA from the animal fat - check out the MUFA content in a steak or in butter and it nearly matches the sat fat. Bone marrow is the big evolutionary source of MUFAs, not cold pressed olive oil. Of course there is some oxidation going on when you cook with olive oil that will defeat the purpose, so I eat it cold for flavor, but I get plenty of MUFA without olive oil in my animal based diet.
NUTS AND NUT OILS
How about nuts? I started out a big nut eater, thinking they were healthy and natural. I've found that they are loaded with carbs, though, and they seem to disturb my gut if I eat a lot of them, due to some lectins, no doubt. After research about fatty acids, I definitely do not view them in some therapeutic way like many seem to. Indeed, I can't think of any particular reason to eat them except to add flavor and interest to salads and other food -that is how I use them.
Nut Oils? Surely they are safer and better than grass seed oils - I use walnut oil and olive for flavor sometimes. Any advantage over butter or ghee or grass fed tallow or lard?
In my opinion, no. Too many PUFAs in nut oils to prefer them to butter and animal fats. Even if not N-6 predominant, PUFA levels in general should be kept low, and nut oils are high in PUFAs.
Eating nut oils in significant quantity depends on industrial technology not available in paleolithic times. Hence, eating bottled nut oil deviates from the EM2, even if not nearly as significantly as grass seed oils.
To summarize our PaNu hierarchy of fats and oils:
1) SFA is best because it is not oxidizable.
2) MUFA is next
3) Total PUFA should be as low as possible. N3 PUFA supplements are for people with too much N-6 PUFA from seed oils.
Animal sources, preferably grass fed or pastured, are the best way to optimize your lipid intake.
Overall, the biggies for discordance remain:
1 Cereal grains (Lectins, phytates, gliadin proteins)
2 Fructose as a high % of calories in a food abundant environment (Hormonal effects)
3 High N-6 PUFA consumption (imbalanced eicosanoid production with immune dsyfunction, inflammation and cancer promotion)
4 Inadequate animal fat intake might be #5, as it is both the consequence of and much of the solution to 1-3.
My approach remains somewhat that of a finger-wagging killjoy - "don't eat that" is just not as much fun as "eat this magic pill or supplement and you'll be healthier" and I am sure that's not the way to sell the most books. It also won't help you much if you are marketing supplements or expensive drugs. If you don't already like meat, seafood, eggs, cream and butter, there is not much emotional upside to my approach. It's not really that exciting to say "Hey, guess what I don't eat!" Even were you to show up naked to a party, you simply could not be more of a social freak than to refuse bread, beer, crackers, chips, and a slice of your neighbor's kid's birthday cake, and eat your burger rolled up like a tortilla with cheddar cheese and a slice of tomato.
But, there it is. If we are not in the business of marketing or politics, we must go where the evidence leads us.
25.6.11
Lard - too high in PUFA?
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Re: [HED] LARD? too high in PUFA's? Leaf lard, AKA pork leaf fat, would be best, IMO. It's highly saturated like lamb. Regular pork fat is OK in moderation, but I wouldn't cook everything in lard. Nor chicken and turkey fat. If the animals were fed the right way (no nuts or seeds or soybeans or high-PUFA oils), their fat would be lower in PUFAs, but generally red meat and tropical oils are better IMO. Ruminant animals can convert the PUFAs to saturated fats (SFAs). But I eat pork or sausage or bacon occasionally. Several religions do forbid pork and there may be some reasons behind that, but I don't know for sure. I just focus on low-PUFA foods. If you want to experiment, I would eat plenty of starch and unrefined sugar with pork. Ray Peat has said that simple sugars help eliminate PUFAs, and I have seen studies supporting that. Scott and I eat similar to that, like having whole wheat bread with orange juice or honey and some meat, eggs, whole milk, etc. Bruce On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 13:16, lite121 <c688217@...> wrote:
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The Daily Lipid: Is Butter High in AGEs?
Wednesday, October 27, 2010
Is Butter High in AGEs?
Thanks for all the work you do. Any chance you could post something on the AGE content of butter? Does it make a difference if AGEs are endogenously or exogenously produced? Thank in advance.Suffice it to say he liked my answer. I'll repeat it here, with a little more detail.
The reader may have seen Dr. William Davis's recent post, "The Anti-AGEing Diet," in which he wrote the following:
And minimize or avoid butter use, if we are to believe the data that suggest that it contains the highest exogenous AGE content of any known food.Are we to believe this data? I don't.
Oats Supplementation (2) Prevents Alcohol-Induced Gut Leakiness in Rats by Preventing Alcohol-Induced Oxidative Tissue Damage
More specifically, several reports demonstrated the pivotal role of the up-regulation of iNOS and oxidative stress in alcohol-induced gut leakiness. For example,
http://westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/benefits_cholest.html
And as Mary Enig says, a total blood lipoprotein count between 200 and 240 is normal, not a disease process.
http://westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/fats_phony.html
In any population, all measurable characteristics vary within a normal range in a Bell Curve fashion. Just as some people are shorter than average and some taller than average, some have smaller and some have larger feet, and some have lower and some have higher total lipoproteins. Thus, "high" cholesterol is not by itself indicative of a disease process any more than above average height indicates a disease process.
I have read that taller people have, in general, a lower life expectancy than shorter people (don't have the reference). Assuming this is true, it would not give warrant for height reduction surgery for taller than average people. Similarly, even if it could be demonstrated that people with lower total lipoprotein counts did live longer, that would not give warrant to subject individuals with "above average" total lipoprotein counts to artificial cholesterol reduction.
This gets back to the whole issue of reductionism. Tim's doctor thinks a blood cholesterol of 226 is a disease process. He completely ignores the context (patient) in which this occurs. Rather than evaluating the patient, he reduces the patient to a lab number. He wants to treat the cholesterol, not the patient.
Don